The bounce on the 3-iron is already 0 degrees, so will bending the club for a stronger loft make the bounce go negative? 2. Custom Edel E-3 Putter. on tight fairways. Pasted as rich text. If you bend lie, you will effect swingweight. "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." You might find that you ask yourself if you are better or worse than the average golfer? I draw the ball naturally so I dont want too much offset on the clubs, I think it will be easier if I just go and get some wedges to sort out the gapping issue. Lynx Black Cat irons were set this way, so I had to have the 5 iron bent 2*, the 6 iron 1.5, the 7 iron 1.0 and the 8 iron .5 (this was my experimental set). Great answer Blake. NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! There are however a few key points that golfers need to know about changing the lie angle of their club so that they can get the most out of their club. I'm curious what effect bending the irons 1 or 2 degrees strong would have on the irons playability. Due to how DeChambeau delivers the club, his 4-iron has a stated loft of 16 degrees; the stock Ping i230 comes in at 22.5 degrees. Introduce Yourself/ WIYB (What's In Your Bag), Lessons, Drills, Mental Game, and Fitness Tips. Generall, Dont worry and overthink this like most doo. I also don't mind the little more offset I don't over cut it. But the end result for an iron fitting is the same: I want the customer to leave with a set of irons that produce the best possible launch conditions for them. Not sure about the AP2s. It was suggested that I would bring my launch and spin down a bit with making my irons 1-2 stronger. As club fitters, you have to find the balance between measurable results and what the customer THINKS is happening. Pasted as rich text. Lots of good comments here. Sure, the top few are valid members of the PGA Tour, all with their legitimate claims in this lowly class, but we then have the likes of Chad Campbell (unranked after not being seen for almost three years) and Frank Lickliter (now outside the world top 3000) bringing up a rear lacks depth. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. ** Due to coronavirus and the work restrictions in place here in Michigan, for international orders, please email info@mitchellgolf.com for a complete quote. This puts a 5 iron at 60* and that is way too flat for most people. LOWER COG IN NEW IRONS REQUIRES LESS LOFT A LOT OF THE TIME TO GET THE SAME DISTANCE OF OLDER CLUBS WITH A HIGHER COG. I've never had a sand wedge bent, I suppose that could be an issue but if you open the blade a bit the bounce comes back. I use Ping I Blades and Ping have a 'power spec' on their website for these where the lofts can be bent to and still retain playabilty. What the heck are they were talking about? You can post now and register later. I was wondering if bending my irons 1 to 2 degrees strong at a golf shop will change the playability of the 712 AP2s. It can be re-bent without any adverse effect on it. Changing the loft on clubs can really screw with the visual look of them at address and change the playing characteristics. Well this article outlines a variety of statistics which will help you pinpoint which areas of the game you are above or below average. A golf club can be bent two degrees flat when the lie angle is lowered and the heel of the club is raised to a position that is higher than the toe of the club. Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid I do not find these to dig at all. The fitter can then analyze a golfers swing pattern and adjust the lie angle accordingly. That is why getting the numbers is so important. If anything I am a digger in the golf swing. So, it is my contention that conditions on the course often vary much more than changing the dynamics of a club by a degree or two. I knew that bounce and loft have a 1:1 ratio but never thought that changing lie angle would affect swingweight but it makes perfect sense. 2 degrees upright - Club Fitting - Team Titleist In my experience I have seen guys in the 8-14 handicap range with moderate ball speed try X Hot irons, and see much better results with the Rocketbladez. It would decrease the bounce on each club, not a good idea, as well as it would cause the ball to go farther. I do not disagree with you on the long irons Drew, we have hybrids to replace those. I realize this can be affected by angle of attack, swing speed, iron/shaft design, and ball design. "If you have any doubt about the hand position, think of this scenario. But if your best place for improvement is in your approach shots or play with the long clubs, you simply must work on your fundamentals of the golf swing. Bending the hosel toward or away from the face plane, opens or closes the clubs face angle. The incredible story behind Arnold Palmers $275,000 irons from the 1960s, OLD vs. NEW: TaylorMade Tour Preferred MC 2011 irons vs. My modern irons (Full launch monitor numbers), Legendary club designer Larry Bobka speaks on his new $599 blade irons, What are these?! Long story short, I'm about to have the 5,6,7,8 iron bent 2 degrees weaker, 9 iron 1 degree weaker, and AW 1 degree stronger. You might as well get a distance gap before bending. Say you start with a classic blade 7 iron with 40* static loft by how much could you reduce the loft in conjunction with a GI head design without launching the ball lower? Offset degrees especially with a long iron can be a factor along with sole design. Played a mp30 2i for most of the year as a gap from my 3i to my 3 wood. Ordering & Information Check out our video: how-to bend your clubs on a Mitchell Golf Angle Machine:Get Bending! Each one of those sees him rightly disputing the market number one, but Im not sure I can get involved at around 20-25-to-one with any of the favourites, even if they hold excellent claims. Display as a link instead, The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. Or if youre playing in firm conditions, you might want more spin and a higher launch. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I was a little worried I might notice the offset or have trouble with hitting them fat, but they look perfect and play like they should. I will also need to bend my irons 2 degrees flat according to a lie board. Ball speed from the new irons is what is creating the distance. Lower lofts will travel a bit farther and a bit lower, higher lofts will travel a bit less and fly a bit higher. Your link has been automatically embedded. He hasnt let that chance go, and while the opening nine events certainly havent been stunning seven missed cuts he showed up at Bermuda, finishing 35th after entering Sunday inside the top-15. May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. Clear editor. A wind-affected island track that offers rewards for aggression. The so-called "standard" lie angles are 9 iron at 64* with a spacing of 1 deg between clubs. Justin Rose posts mysterious custom JR irons on Instagram. What if I get those numbers with a 7-iron, or a 5-iron? Will I be digging too much? When this happens, its usually the result of some type of inconsistency in the metallurgy of the club. Unless of course it's a long iron and you have a hard time elevating it in the first place. Undershooter Or Ping Glide Stealth, 54,58 SS. Titleist U500 3 & 4 Oban Kiyoshi Purple Tour Reserve i dont need that. Shane Lowry on the new Srixon ZX Mk II line (fairway wood, utility, ZX5/ZX7 irons). Arnold Palmer Invitational 2023 (*** NO LIV DISCUSSIONS/REFERENCES ***), Custom Ping i230 5-UW KBS Tour R+ Power Spec, G425 3 wood with GD TP, Ping Kaili Shaft,King Tec Hybrid, Jaws Raw & Zipcore Wedge, Airmax 97, Apex UW. I should have made the same swing with a 9 iron, to compensate for the lie, but did not.". Its taking up to 2 degrees off each iron. (others have mentioned) I went to GG with my pops and hit the speedblade 9i for sheets and was hitting them 165-170why? Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. I have a 17-degree 4-wood, a 21-degree hybrid, a 26-degree hybrid, and a 29-degree iron as my longer (non-driver) clubs. I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. I find Callaway irons have to much bounce to begin with esp. You are also all correct in that it is a long iron. This is a list of all clubheads that clubmakers are not allowed to bend. A good tune-up is a good tune-up regardless of the final loft gaps. Hes happy to answer any of your questions! Because of my forward foot was so much above my trail foot, my hands were a good 6" behind the ball, when compared to a level lie. It, In any case one can't really compare clubs anymore with respect to asking what someone hit. . Using like say an Older Macgregor blade butter knife with a thin sharp leading edge on the sole if you deloft more than 1 degree or so you have a chance of digging to China. Great article. TaylorMade Aero Burner TP 15 / Matrix White Tie 70-X How noticeable will the difference in trajectory be and will distances change? weight removed), Ball:1. You must log in or register to reply here. TaylorMade M2 (2016) 9.5* (2* lower) HZRDUS T1100 75g 6.5 Plenty have broken their duck here, and now the Puerto Rico curse has been resigned to history lets get with a couple of players who have their best days in front of them. What I was hoping from this article was proof for that a current 46* MB/CB PW doesnt go any further than the 47/48* PWs of the past. IG: golfer_scott You cannot paste images directly. I know that for every degree strong I bend it, it will take a degree off the bounce. Your link has been automatically embedded. Yes for that particular Ball Speed, the ball can not carry any further with a better stopping power than with those conditions. Your previous content has been restored. But they will still land on the green as soft as an older set of irons (if not softer). If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Still, someone has to win, and, with such dead wood, punters might smile at this opportunity to nab the winner of an event returning to its status as an opposite event expect LIV to make an offer in 2024. 2023 Acushnet Company. A typical #6 iron on the Tour is 31* on loft but Dynamic loft is average only 20.2 Bettinardi Studio Stock SS28, Didn't think of that. But if a high spin player gets a 15 launch and 6000 RPM with a 115 MPH ball speed with a 5-iron, then whats wrong with that? I truly wish customers would do their do diligence before getting fit. Military. Any knowledge on the subject would be appreciated. 50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60*, Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck The idea of one ideal spin rate and launch angle for each iron doesnt really make sense to me. Not fact but I do think more offset makes it easier to draw the ball. The trajectory, depending on your swing, should be flatter. TM Spider Mallet w/ Carbon insert Todays golf ball travels farther than ever before and I dont see any need to jack up the short iron lofts. The lightweight speed designs dont seem to help the everyday golfer from the examples I see out on the course. Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? I have read that it can create "diggers" is this true? examples, keep you head down, hit down on the ball, you gotta swing inside out. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. What amazes me the most is how many golfers will continually spend thousands of dollars on golf equipment but never take the initiative to change those fundamental things that will help them really improve their skills and abilities. How much will bending an iron affect how it plays? So glad this was posted. JavaScript is disabled. May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. May 20, 2016 at 10:43 AM I have a 2 iron bent 2 strong to 16. The refit yielded a super driving iron. ***GIVEAWAY*** Cleveland CBX ZipCore Wedge! Product Instructions & Manuals While you might prefer the overlap, interlock or full-finger style, the hold on the golf club is pretty much the same the upper portion of the grip has to be under the pad of the upper hand and held more in the fingers than the palm of both hands. if we move from a "high launch" to a Low launch shaft, who reduce loft by 2* we also lost 2* bounce. Yeah, you can bend them strong and not notice the difference in terms of look. Your email address will not be published. I am constantly amazed at how many golfers are trying to play the game with a fundamentally unsound hold of the club. At 100 mph you are obliterating the ground. Im 62 and most GI clubs are too long even for me in their stock iteration with this progressive shaft lengths concept. How Much Does 1 Degree of Loft Affect Distance? Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. When my first 'proper' set of clubs (MP30s) were done - at the same time as a Driver Shaft fitting - a couple were out considerably (the 6 iron had the loft of a 5!)! I'm not so much of a digger with long irons, and I thought about getting my rogue 5i bent a degree stronger and not carry a 4. And you are right about the irons listed, X Hot is a shockingly low launching iron and the G25 would be the exact opposite, with Rocketbladez mixed in the middle. I meant decrease loft and make stronger. If this continues well end up with 25* 7 irons and carry 6 or 7 gap wedges. They know how much torque to put on the hozzel. For example, the first generation M2 5-iron has a loft of 21.5. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. Upload or insert images from URL. Does that create the maximum distance for that ball speed? I highly recommend that golfers get fitted before making a large purchase on golf clubs. Ball- Bridgestone Tour B X, In the grand scheme of things, I would say zero effect. Machines that adjust for all hosel positions, such asMitchell Angle Machinesare accurate regardless of the offset or hosel design of the golf club. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Tour Preferred X or TP5x ball. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. The loft difference in the AP2 7 iron and AP3 6 iron is 6 degrees apart. KBS even notes it in the swing speed recommendations for their different model shafts, as their very lightweight steel shafts are about a full flex softer frequency than the standard weight counterpart. ProV1x-mostly. 3" = 4.6* and 6" = 9.2* change in loft. It is a combination of those factors to get consistent results. Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? Novak has made five cuts from seven starts since qualifying, with the most significant results being 17th in Bermuda (another wind-affected coastal course) 12th at the much higher-grade Sony Open and 29th at last weeks Honda Classic. When you get 2* gaps on the long end there is almost no difference between clubs. Forged titanium models are bendable as well due to their softer titanium structure. Thankfully gone are the days of everyone demanding s300 S or X when they dont have the swing speed to support them. Each player is different and because of this each iron plays different for each player. What bounce does is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. You might as well get a distance gap before bending. make it a "digger" per say? Remember, the set is not necessarily progressively consistent from one club to another, and therefore each club should be checked. There only seems to be one logical reason to do this and thats just in the odd situation where someone needs more bounce. This will reduce any penalty shots and subsequently the number of doubles-or-worse in your round. The palms should be aligned, that is so that the two Vs formed by your thumb and forefinger should point in the same direction, whether a bit weak or strong from the neutral position. What do you mean about not seeing any changes in your irons? Im contemplating a set of Mizuno MP-53 irons. More than likely you will hit the ball a bit farther as well, potentially close to 1/2 a club. Thanks for your advice, its been helpful. Worked very well IMO in terms of reducing spin You will need to check your distances with these gapped lofts. I did this with my current set and the results are great. I would never ever think of doing this on my own. Clear editor. Custom Edel E-3 Putter, More than likely you will hit the ball a bit farther as well, potentially close to 1/2 a club. Mizuno irons can be adjusted to varying degrees depending on model and material type. question on bending a forged iron 2 degrees strong By ssfranny, January 22, 2019 in WRX Club Techs Reply to this topic Start new topic ssfranny Lefty Boomers 3.5k Feedback 20 0 0 Total Rating 100% Posted January 22, 2019 Have a set of basically new MP 53s I want to bend them 2 degrees strong to make them play more a modern loft. (I ran into this today.) traditional lofts ftw (let the technology be what determines added length/distance, not loft changes). Training Aids, GPS Devices, Apps, Accessories & More. Sign up to receive product offers and news! Sitemap. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. Surely getting consistent results and regular yardage gaps between clubs is more important than shooting for some ideal stats that may go against your natural swing? It is amazing how much higher/lower similar irons can perform, in terms of player level. Upload or insert images from URL. The sole on that thing is tiny compared to any driving iron and I still had no trouble hitting it off the deck. Humans think theyre logical but when it comes down to it (when the wallet hits the counter), they are controlled by feelings, who they wish they could play like and what company has qualities that match their identity. On the opposite and gapping from AW to 9i is very wide about 16 yards about between clubs. SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerLW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerXW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger steppedPutter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. If my hands are 2" farther back or forward at impact that is + or - 3*. As long as the spin rate is acceptable, the new irons, because of their lower center of gravity, are going to produce more speed off the face (due to the lower loft and lower COG) and more distance. Dont worry and overthink this like most doo. Routinely, I notice longer than standard 85g shafts with these sets. If the launch conditions work, what matter the number on the club? Even if you want to say a weakened 4 iron is longer in length than a 5 iron of the same loft and therefore goes farther, your gaps in your set will still be equally proportionate. Among full-swing clubs, drivers have the lowest degrees of loft (some pros use drivers with as little as 7 degrees of loft; most recreational golfers use drivers lofted at 9 to 14 degrees). Even the most skilled repair professionals can occasionally break a club. Approach play is the area of the game that leaves a lot to be desired amongst all levels of amateur golfers. If its putting or greenside scoring, spend your time working on those aspects instead of beating balls on the range. The golfwrx wannabe touring pros will argue otherwise.. After reading the headline I was expecting a slightly different subject discussed but this topic is something Ive been wondering about myself. Since loft and bounce is connected, and cant be split no matter what we do. Sounds like it's a long iron. PXG 0311P Gen 3 - 5to PW - Nippon 125 X All rights reserved. At a club fitting it was pointed out that I had about a 0 aoa and was launching a bit higher than ideal. Like most things in life, the real answer is it all depends, golf is probably the only sport where they use generalization to describe something that is quite complicated. Then if your wedge gaps are off you might tweak them a degree. How Bryson DeChambeau's Ping irons came to life | Wall-to-Wall GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, By The main reason it is done on GolfWRX is so people can brag how far they hit their irons, generally with a passive brag. So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. Perhaps the lighter weight is good, but how many people fit into these longer lengths? With all due respect, I am not saying you do not, but club fitters do this all the time and if they mess it up then they can replace the club. Would bending it serve the same result? Driver: G425 LST 9on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 5S, Fairway: G425LST 3w on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 6S, G425MAX 9won Graphite Design Tour ADDI7S, Utility: KING Forged Utility Black 4 on UST RECOIL SMACWRAP, Irons: KING Forged TEC Black5-Gon Mitsubishi MMT, Wedges:ES2154& Hi Toe Raw58on KBS Hi Rev 2.0, Putter: Triple Track Double Wide White Hot, Balls: Pro V1TP5xChrome Soft Triple Track x LS. We have seen significant distance improvements with all 3 of these irons, it just needs to match up with how you launch the ball. Copyright 2022 MyGolfSpy Golfers can talk about shafts until they are blue in the face, and different shafts will make a difference in control, feel and sometimes launch and spin. 00bolt, May 18, 2017 in WRX Club Techs. What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. Hope I did not complicate this any and maybe helped you, Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex---- 3 wood TM V-Steel Aldila 65G R Flex 15*--- 7 Wood TM V-Steel UST Pro Force 65 R flex 21*---- 9 wood TM V-Steel stock MAS Stiff shaft 24*--- Irons 4 thru 9 Mac Muirfield TT black label --- PW Vokey SM-4 51* stock shaft--- SW Vokey SM 5 L grind 58* stock shaft--- Putter -- Rusty Scotty Santa Fe fluted Bulls Eye shaft---. I've bent tons of clubs. The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. 5 Testers Needed! I have plenty of X-flex swing speed and don't need the high launch (that just kills me in headwinds), but like the forgiveness on mishits. Why would you weaken the lofts of every club and increase the bounce angle by a proportionate amount if you could just get rid of the 3 iron and add a gap wedge? Another point regarding GI/SGI clubs that I would love to see a fitter touch on is shaft length.